In this special “The Record” Rewind edition of the “Greta Wire” podcast, Greta Van Susteren first speaks with Dr. Phil McGraw about the Pentagon’s latest release of UFO-related documents and videos—and the decades of secrecy surrounding unexplained aerial phenomena.
Dr. Phil questions why government agencies have withheld or dismissed information for nearly 80 years while continuing to investigate incidents behind the scenes. He argues that Americans are entitled to honest answers about evidence that could reshape how people understand technology, human life and even long-held religious beliefs.
The conversation examines military footage, radar data and reports of objects moving at speeds and making turns that current human technology cannot explain. Dr. Phil also addresses the psychological impact of disclosure, saying transparency could reduce anxiety and help the public process whatever the evidence ultimately shows.
Later, Senate Majority Leader John Thune joins Greta for a deeply personal remembrance of Sen. Lindsey Graham.
Thune reflects on Graham’s influence in the Senate, his passion for freedom and democracy, and his final trip to Ukraine. He describes Graham as a close friend, trusted adviser and larger-than-life public servant whose work shaped foreign policy, legislation and national politics.
Thune also discusses Graham’s difficult upbringing, the responsibility he took on after losing both parents, and the pride he would have felt seeing his sister continue his legacy. He recalls Graham’s relationship with President Donald Trump, his sharp wit and his rare ability to persuade people and get things done.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Dr. Phil on the Pentagon’s latest UFO files
00:37 Why has the government kept UFO evidence secret?
01:44 Greta questions decades of government secrecy
02:06 Dr. Phil: Americans are entitled to the truth
02:54 Are we alone in the universe?
03:08 The unexplained technology Dr. Phil says cannot be ignored
04:46 Why transparency could help prevent public panic
05:10 Senate Majority Leader John Thune joins Greta
05:19 Thune reflects on Lindsey Graham’s life and impact
06:35 Graham’s final mission in Ukraine
07:33 Lindsey Graham’s humble upbringing and American story
09:03 Graham’s sister carries on his legacy
09:35 Graham’s unique relationship with President Trump
10:33 How Thune learned of Graham’s death
11:32 “I can’t imagine a Senate without Lindsey Graham”
11:47 Graham’s humor, intellect and ability to get things done
12:49 Greta reflects on friendship, loss and life in Washington
13:03 Closing remarks and subscription information
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