In this episode of “Greta Wire,” Greta Van Susteren sits down with famed criminal defense attorney Mark Geragos for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about the cases, personalities and courtroom battles that have shaped modern legal history.
Greta and Geragos trade stories from decades inside and around some of America’s most watched trials — from Susan McDougal and Whitewater to O.J. Simpson, Michael Jackson, Johnny Cochran, Robert Kardashian and Scott Peterson. Geragos reflects on what makes a “real lawyer,” why criminal defense remains the heart of the profession, and why the stories from the courtroom are unlike anything else in law.
The conversation also turns to lawfare, prosecutorial discretion, the Trump era, legal fees, artificial intelligence in law, and how modern litigation may be heading for a major shakeup. Geragos shares why he believes AI could upend big-firm billing practices, while Greta offers her own humorous warning about trusting AI too much.
The episode closes with one of the most provocative segments: Geragos revisiting the Scott Peterson case, explaining why he still says Peterson is innocent, and discussing the controversial “boat” issue during jury deliberations that Greta remembers vividly from covering the trial.
It’s a lively, insider conversation between two longtime legal minds who have seen some of the biggest cases in America up close.
Chapters
0:00 Episode open
0:40 Greta introduces Mark Geragos
2:30 Susan McDougal and Whitewater
5:01 Whitewater, Trump and lawfare
9:50 Big legal fees and modern litigation
11:48 AI and the future of law
14:45 Why criminal defense matters
16:59 Michael Jackson and celebrity trials
18:20 Johnny Cochran’s legacy
21:25 Robert Kardashian and O.J. Simpson
25:15 Geragos on Scott Peterson
26:52 The Scott Peterson boat controversy
30:41 Cameras in the courtroom
31:04 Closing
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